I asked this over on the see/saw discord, but I figured I'd ask here too. I feel like I'm missing some formative hardcore history. Listening to some of the recent crop of more "weirdo" hardcore bands (Lasso, Electric Chair, Ancient Filth being three in particular), I'm realizing I'm not sure where a lot of these sounds came from! The answer is likely that they're influenced by lots of stuff outside of hardcore, but am I missing out on influential bands? Obvious reference point for EC is Poison Idea, but otherwise I'm trying to trace back some of these sounds to the source and feeling like I have some major gaps in my knowledge.