terminalsunset good to know. Thanks!
The hardcore thread
ratcharge Hey Max, could you give a few examples? Im curious.
I'd imagine the most egregious one is Scowl being sponsored by Taco Bell or something like that. But then it opens the can of worms of whether they are "real hardcore" or not.
And then there's the aspect of seemingly every 'big Capital H' hardcore fest being sponsored by like Monster Energy or something.
Woodstock 99's first 7" was really good. Bad Anxiety and The Losers sound great too!
Allez Al Yeah Indre Krig rules
ratcharge > sicboy I'd imagine the most egregious one is Scowl being sponsored by Taco Bell or something like that. But then it opens the can of worms of whether they are "real hardcore" or not.
yeah that was a big one.. makes ya distrust the whole enterprise! there's a few deals snaking around oz, some banks trying to license images from bands, etc.. a non-alcoholic beer company called HEAPS NORMAL has started a record label in Sydney, mostly for smaller groups, not always hardcore, but still gives me the willies (echoes of SCION). here Speed (who are all lovely people etc) are probably the bigger ones with deals with Foot Locker, Monster, some instrument brands etc, but as sicboy mentioned, i feel like Scowl, Speed etc are a part of a new commercial hc world that's kind of a different thing entirely.. or at least not in this wheelhouse? was also pretty surprised when in Europe recently to see how common the booking agency set up was! when did that become a thing? i was really sold on Bad Breeding when their last record came out, enjoyed the fact that they had a lengthy anarchist booklet as insert... and then overseas saw that they no gods, no mastered their way into a booking agency supported tour with no engagement with local bands 
(sorry to sound very '90s here...)
i try not to get bogged down in this stuff and appreciate the labels doing the good stuff tho. everything coming thru SENTIERO FUTURO AUTOPRODUZIONI for e.g., and TOTAL PEACE from Arizona are reliably really really good with what seems from afar to be a spotless DIY ethos..
BARELY HUMAN I've always wondered how big Speed is within Aus. They seem huge here in the US in certain markets.
sicboy I've always wondered how big Speed is within Aus. They seem huge here in the US in certain markets.
they're enormous... i swear you see a Speed t-shirt every time you leave the house. their music and business decisions are really not my thing, and i think have played a part in telling the next generation of hc bands in oz that "you too can work hard and get sponsored by a shoe company" which really bums me out... howeeever, i gotta admit it's been impressive to see em play the game and get to that level. just need more community-focused HC bands in their wake to level the playing field and provide that alternative, which is around here and there..
The guests on that "What Are You Listening To" YT show I posted somewhere were talking about some "giant separate HC scene" and I imagine Turnstile fits that - are they sponsored by anyone? It's a band name that would fall under, don't wanna hear them just from the name but had to investigate...This is a huge show and the sound is definitely more of a hybrid...
googling them, there is a big sponsorship company with the same name!
https://turnstilegroup.com/
May have mentioned this before; I'm digging this snotty Hattiesburg hardcore. Six songs, around 6 minutes. Silo Kids demo
The Sorry State weekly newsletter is my fount of hardcore knowledge. The staff picks section isn't limited to genre though so has a nice range of tips, which can include Daniel going deep into The Stranglers or The Undertones. I like it.
https://www.sorrystaterecords.com/pages/sorry-state-s-weekly-newsletter
Ha! In my world, Kasshuve's EP is recent, but it was released in 2020. Anyway, really good stuff
Al Dorado May have mentioned this before; I'm digging this snotty Hattiesburg hardcore. Six songs, around 6 minutes. Silo Kids demo
sick! i missed this one... the hattiesburg crew are so fucken cool. played there in 2018 and was blown away by what they were doing in such a small town with limited resources. and just the love of putting on shows and trying to find ways to keep things interesting. we were the only out of towner when we played so they set up a support band battle royal with this big digital clock counting down 10 minutes, each band had to play one song, change instruments, and were eliminated if they were still playing when the timer was out. winner got to headline the show with a full set. coolest thing i've ever seen!
Uptown ruler 666 420 MURO and YELLOWCAKE are the best two current hc bands
Holy shit, Yellowcake are intense
BARELY HUMAN when we played so they set up a support band battle royal with this big digital clock counting down 10 minutes, each band had to play one song, change instruments, and were eliminated if they were still playing when the timer was out. winner got to headline the show with a full set. coolest thing i've ever seen!
Wow! That is so hilarious and genius
Toxic State coming out with a Nisemono LP sometime soon most exciting thing for me
sicboy
in light of the egg punk drama i'll enthusiastically +1 the "members of snooper" band G.U.N. being one of the best recent LPs i've heard
Vinnie Vacuum bought their lp and tape. going to see them on March 1st
FoolDiddly hell yeah
Fresh new combo out of Truro, Nova Scotia, featuring 50% of the people who made the aforementioned Misanthropic Minds 7".
I asked this over on the see/saw discord, but I figured I'd ask here too. I feel like I'm missing some formative hardcore history. Listening to some of the recent crop of more "weirdo" hardcore bands (Lasso, Electric Chair, Ancient Filth being three in particular), I'm realizing I'm not sure where a lot of these sounds came from! The answer is likely that they're influenced by lots of stuff outside of hardcore, but am I missing out on influential bands? Obvious reference point for EC is Poison Idea, but otherwise I'm trying to trace back some of these sounds to the source and feeling like I have some major gaps in my knowledge.
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terminalsunset Havent' heard the other two but Electric Chair doesn't sound "weird" in any kind of way to me? Just classic sounding, straight-up early eighties influenced USHC, ie they probably listen to Jerry's Kids and the Boston not L.A comp? Correct me if I'm wrong, I think I only listened to their first 7''.
I also wouldn't consider any of them weird either. Just classic USHC like you said. Maybe bringing in some 'weirdness' via Void
sicboy I see what you mean with Void, but at this point they've influenced so many bands that whatever felt "weird" about them... Well, it doesn't anymore? Still the best though, don't get me wrong.
I guess I'm using "weirdo" to differentiate from the more macho muscley hardcore. Electric Chair is probably one of the easier to pin down in terms of influence, although some of the guitar leads are really out of left field to my ear in a good way! Lasso is the most recent band I heard where I just felt like I didn't have the requisite reference points to know precisely what I was listening to. They're from Brazil, so maybe I need to dive deeper into that scene at large?
Stoked for that Nisemono LP on Toxic State
sicboy Maybe bringing in some 'weirdness' via Void
on the topic of Void inspo -- OSBO from sydney are my favourite hc band in sydney atm and have been for a while... much '80s USHC influence, but in an interesting way i think, not a paint-by-numbers way. also one of the few HC bands in syd who play more with non-hc bands than they do the pure stuff, popping up on all kinda bills. real hardcore for the people stuff!
terminalsunset A guy I know always compares Electric Chair to the Germs. They have a ratty quality like Crazy Spirit did, I guess. I'd also say the three bands you listed are basically tapping into the original hardcore bands, Lasso perhaps more into South American '80s greats I am not aware of. Ask Martin Sorrondeguy or the band, I'd say. Ancient Filth sounds a bit more polished than the other two to me, but not to the point that I'm tapping out. I like their Lp a lot and stocked it. No copies sold yet though so the Europeans are yet to take note.
I'm too stupid to hear whether guitar riffs are different or influenced by a particular band. After 20 years of listening to hardcore punk I still don't understand what a dbeat is. Don't try to explain. I don't care.
BARELY HUMAN Someone recommended this Ep to me before. I like it. Do you know whether it would be possible to get a bunch of copies to the glorious Netherlands?
BARELY HUMAN I dig that OSBO record. I think I read about it on Yellow Green Red.
The whole D-beat worship thing is pretty ridiculous. Dressed up 80s cosplay punks can take their shoelaces off around their heads and stuff them up their bums.
Lammie Do you know whether it would be possible to get a bunch of copies to the glorious Netherlands?
Just listened to OSBO. Among the best stuff posted in this thread so far if you ask me. If there will be copies available from the Netherlands I will buy a copy.
The Oily Boys Lp was fucking killer and I think Osbo shares members with that band. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
The mid-tempo OSBO tunes remind me a bit of Sex/Vid, one of the few somewhat contemporary HC bands I listen to on a regular basis
Gimmie Sopor Never listen to them anymore, but their tracks live in my DNA. Great band. I really loved Cult Ritual too.
Lammie The Oily Boys Lp was fucking killer and I think Osbo shares members with that band. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
naw no members shared with OB, tho that oily boys LP is one of the greats in my mind, such a wild ride...
Osbo is the singer Tim from Tim & the Boys, Joe is guitarist from Royal Headache/Bed Wettin Bad Boys, plus Ravi from The Baby on bass, Lucy from Photogenic & The Baby on second guitar, and Jake on drums who i think last played in Aloha Units. All the best people with a fiiiine lineage from non-HC sydney bands
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