Luc At Tomorrow

RE: Oi! Division
Yeah, that whole "Early Blitz meets late era Blitz" is definitely a thing now. I never thought "New Age" could sustain a whole genre. Somebody made a YouTube video essay about it.

    First time hearing the term Oi! Division lol. I tend to like a lot of the bands doing that style and I never put together that name.

    Rapid Adapter
    haha yeah I heard a reference to the deification of Blitz's "New Age" recently but they should really bow down to the Effigies from "Forever Grounded" onward!

    Since we are getting so micro: any Finns here? I heard some reference to a Finnish sub-genre mentioning this band - so kind of riffy twee punk/pop...

    I though the word was "rössö" punk but that means "scumbag" in Finnish(?)
    Joni Ekman would seem to be right in that area also...

        Sukebe_GG
        I've discussed it with a couple of Finns when I stayed in Finland last summer. It's "nössöpunk", a term used to describe softer melodic Finnish pop punk, as opposed to the raw hardcore punk Finland is often known for. One of the pals I was hanging out was referring to it as "wimp punk". Some bands include Teini-Pää, Kaikki Turhat Haaveet, etc.

            In France we also have a term for bands playing post-Tragedy melodic d-beat/ crust : we call them « crust de salon », which means « living room crust » (as opposed to « gutter crust » or something like that).

              pizza punk (annoying burger records style party punk with imagery based around cartoony gross food)
              freak punk (something I saw used around in Montreal and Toronto 5-10 years ago to describe weird punk meets hardcore with a flair for the dramatic and humorous)

              Remember when Turbonegro called themselves “Death Punk”? Ha!

              Rapid Adapter I heard someone call Homefront “Cold OI!” a while back. Not sure if that tracks or not. They have more of a post-punk/street punk/oi!-ish sound than goth leanings imo. 🤷🏻‍♂️

                Fake punk. I would also like to recommend under the radar Swizz fake punkers Ede & The Freewavers. The most inept act I've heard trying to cash in on the summer of '77 alongside Los Punk Rockers. Kinda sounds like a mix of X-Ray Spex and Teddy & The Fratgirls/Sheer Smegma.

                  Gimmie Sopor How would you describe fake punk? I hadn't heard the term till @sixbigboys played some (maybe you wanna weigh in too) on GIMH. Conceptually it's still murky for me.

                      hey wait.. did SST ever actually define CORPORATE ROCK ??? does this count??

                      (have been thinkin about this constantly lately haha)

                      jdefacto Gimmie Sopor How would you describe fake punk? I hadn't heard the term till @sixbigboys played some (maybe you wanna weigh in too) on GIMH. Conceptually it's still murky for me.

                      The waters are a bit murky, but here is my take. The A4 description would be a shameless cash in on the punk movement. Often (but not always) by acts that could be described as mere studio projects. The most obvious case is of course Plastic Bertrand's super hit Ca Plan Pour Moi, which in itself spawned a flood of covers and rip-off singles by other producers and musicians looking to make a quick buck.

                      Then you had bands like F.U.2 (Downliners Sect in disguise) and Pack (led by former Amon Düül II member Jörg Evers). Older guys with a background in 60s rock'n'roll and psych. On the other hand, both F.U.2 and Pack put out great albums that sound totally sincere and not plastic in any way. I'm also pretty sure they started playing punk because they liked the music, fame and fortune was never on the horizon. But I guess they weren't really part of the scene and were considered "posers" by the younger generation. So in retrospect they are lumped into the faux punk category.

                      Thats all for now, I'm sure lots of people here can expand on my reasoning.

                          Here’s a good comp of French Fake Punk :

                          Another sub-category of fake punk are parody/comedy records, which may not be pure cash-ins. Ede & The Freewavers that I posted about above fall into this category. Their only release was a promotional single for a play featuring the fictional band Ede & The Freewavers. There is also a Swedish equivalent, Rockpojken by Gotlands Teater. The music is perhaps more rock'n'roll than punk, but the lyrics are 100% punk parody with lots of exaggerated swearing.

                            All this fake punk discourse is top notch. Look for me stealing the best parts for a post on my bluesky. Can almost feel the bullshit think piece intro forming in my head "Stewart Home called all punk rock novelty music, but..."

                            In addition to Gotlands Teater - Rockpojken, I know of three more Swedish records/songs that can be categorized as fake punk.


                            Skatepunk
                            Thrashcore
                            Skatecore
                            Bandanathrash
                            Punkcore (ouch)

                            A couple of my favourite punkspolitation / comedy records. Both the 7"s of these are cheap too!

                            22 days later

                            The real question is whether any microgenres will come about from this board, like how the phrase "Mysterious Guy Hardcore" was coined on Terminal Boredom.

                            I don't know about punk.
                            But I know what I like.

                            By the way, did I read about the revival of 90's Budget rock recently?

                            21 days later

                            Gimmie Sopor Pack (led by former Amon Düül II member Jörg Evers). Older guys with a background in 60s rock'n'roll and psych

                            This speaks to me, thank you.

                              Gimmie Sopor well also FU2’s lyrics are definitely a piss take on punk, which is part of what makes that album so fantastic